, civil rights organizations? >> i think it's very high. and one of the concerns i think from an international perspective is we do not accord those targeted by our criminal justice system a measure of dignity. and dignity is certainly a very important element of human rights laws. are our jurisprudence in the united states sort of draws the line at a certain kind of dignity. but it is there in our 8th amendment against cruel and unusual punishment. even those who are convicted, even those who may have a criminal background are, owed a measure of human dignity which we seem to have tossed out the window when you look at the conditions in prisons. public prison, like super max prisons, which are sensory deprivation chambers and isolation chambers and drive people mad. private prisons which do not have the same system of accountability. we don't know what is really going on there because there is not the straightforward public accountability systems we have build into our ordinary criminal -- >> rose: here is a quot